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Dear Fighters,

4/22/98, Kazu-san wrote that his TOEIC scores went down by 50 points compared to the previous ones. I got the following info. from an email discussion group.


Based on research performed in 1982, the SEM of the TOEIC listening comp section is +/- 25.95 and is +/- 23.38 for the reading section. This yields a total test SEM of +/- 34.93.

(Woodford, Protase. The Test of English for International Communication. ETS, Princeton, 1982. This article appeared in English For International Communication by Christopher Brumfit. Pergamon Press. 1982)

As you can see at the end of the first paragraph, 35 points of decline in scores is not unusual. If you studied too much before the test date, your brain might be tired, and you couldn't focus on the test. From my experience, cramming the English stuff until the tester tells you to put things away from the desk is counterproductive. It seems to be best if you get enough sleep, and arrive at the place you take test at latest 30 min. earlier. That's also part of good test taking strategies. What I would do is just listen to some slow-tempo music such as the classics, and try to soothe my tension. How about mediation? If you want to learn how to unlock all your potentials, and if you want to see your current maximum English proficiency in your test results, you may want to visit one of my web pages at www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/3921/Superlearning.html

I'm interested to know how often you folks take the TOEIC test per year. I'd say twice a year is a reasonable frequency. What do you think?

SAM

p.s. Believe me. I'm still struggling with this language.


If you aren't familiar with SEM, the following page might help. http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley/9350/topic04.html#top

I take TOEIC twice a year as company's English tests. And I also think twice a year is enough.


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Dear Fighters,

Just one word of advice.
Make lots of mistakes. That's the best way to learn a foreign language. You will not be able to speak in English for ever without making mistakes. In order to make lots of mistakes, you've got to speak and write in English a lot! Express your opinions in English, and make mistakes. I did, and I still do, and I have improved my English proficiency considerably after I threw away my pride.

As always, your email messages are always welcome at imasami@mailcity.com.(without the final period)


Thank you for your valuable advice. I read somewhere that Japanese people who study English tend to be quiet because they are afraid of making mistakes. We have to throw our pride away if we want to upgrade our English skills.


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SAM ¤µ¤Þ(4/14/98)

Dear Fighters,

I'm responding to answer the Achiwa-san's questions on my posting on 4/10/98. He mentioned: I didn't know that shadowing is almost nothing to do with improving speaking skill. How long do you think would it be appropriate for dictation per week?

I spent tremendous amount of time on shadowing and pronunciation practice when I was in college in Japan. I was trained to improve my pronunciation through an old (kind of notorious) teaching method named the Audio-lingual method. As far as I know, this method is the most effective method when it comes to improving pronunciation, but repetition of English sounds right after one hears them and actual production of meaningful and emotional English sentences are totally different. Thus repetition has ALMOST nothing to do with improving speaking skills.

However, though, good pronunciation has lots of *indirect* beneficial effects on improving entire English skills. Without being able to pronounce certain words, your rich vocabulary is just that--futility when you conduct oral communication. You can't communicate without being able to articulate English sounds fairly well, especially when a native speaker is not at all familiar with foreign accents. In addition, it is obvious that good pronunciation will help us improve our listening skills, which is an important skill for effective input. Therefore, I personally recommend that, if possible, one should start learning a foreign language along with good pronunciation instructions from good teachers (native or non-native) because once one has habitualized foreign accents, it's difficult to remove it later.

What I wanted to say in my previous posting is that if Mr. Blue J wants to improve his comprehension skills, then I just suggest that he quit shadowing which distract the concentration for listening comprehension. You know, the amount of attention we human beings can pay in one time is very limited. If I try to speak with good pronunciation, for example, I can't concentrate on other aspects of language production, such as fluent speech, grammatical correctness, content, etc. Since Mr. Blue J asked how he could comprehend English information without shifting back to Japanese translation, I think he should quit shadowing for a while, and enjoy reading and listening in English by focusing more on comprehension & input. For additional information, though, as Dr. Alfred Tomatis mentions, we can't make sounds which we can't hear. I don't agree with him entirely, but his words are sound if you don't have any access to a good pronunciation trainer. Please listen to authentic English, and get absorbed in it until you feel comfortable in English. It is not too late to start pronunciation practice after you attain

As for dictation, I also did lots of dictation, and that's beneficial, I bet! However, the problem is it takes too much time to finish even one short, tiny skit. And it's painful. So let me reiterate my advice, "Don't do too much dictation." Instead, enjoy using English.

Personal email messages are always welcome at: imasami@mailcity.com

Sincerely,

SAM


Thank you for your reply. I never knew that Shadowing is only good for pronounciation. I had thought that Shadowing is an intensive way of listening and therefore it's better than simple listening training (for listening skill).

If dictation is so beneficial, a few hours a week of dictation can be tolerable and worth doing, isn't it?


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SAM ¤µ¤Þ(4/10/98)

Minasan, konnichi-wa.

Mr. Blue J said that when he listens to English, he always go through the following process: listening to the sound===>visualization of words & sentences====>incomplete comprehension. He wants to directly comprehend the meaning right after he listens to sounds.

  1. That's a natural process.
    I just suggest that you quit shadowing for a while until you can confidently & comfortably understand what you hear. Feel the meaning. Visualize the meaning.
  2. Rethink the effects of shadowing.
    Shadowing is good for improving your pronunciation, but shadowing has almost nothing to do with improving speaking skills. If you want to speak in English fluently, speak in English.
  3. Don't do too much dictation.
    Dictation is good for improving listening skills, but it takes too much time. I recommend that you spend more time on listening & reading. I read someone said "Deep Listening" somewhere on the net. I like that name.
  4. Reading is the best way to think in English.
    If you want to get over the translation process ASAP, then I recommend "forced-reading" (if it's English). Please read the Achiwa-san's comment on Yukirin-san's posting on 4/7/98. Great advice out there.


Let's speak and write in English a lot!! Dear Y'all

Mr. Achiwa mentioned:
The Super-repeat method was invented by Mr. Kazuhiro Ikeda, who is an author of the "The most powerful learning program." It's an efficient way of memorizing words. He insists that you can memorize 1,000 words a month. All you have to do is 30 minutes of practicing this method a day.

Thank you very much, Achiwa-san, for your explanation. I just wanted to let y'all know that there is a foreign language teaching method (Suggestopedia) with which students can learn 1,000 words per hour. For further info., please visit my home page at: www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/3921/Superlearning.html

Let's speak and write in English a lot!

imasami@mailcity.com
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/3921/


I didn't know that shadowing is almost nothing to do with improving speaking skill.

How long do you think would it be appropriate for dictation per week? (¡Ö1½µ´Ö¤¢¤¿¤ê¤É¤Î¤¯¤é¤¤¤Î»þ´Ö¤ò¥Ç¥£¥¯¥Æ¡¼¥·¥ç¥ó¤Ë³ä¤¯¤Î¤¬Å¬Åö¤À¤È »×¤¤¤Þ¤¹¤«¡©¡×¤Î¤Ä¤â¤ê(^_^;;;¡£²¿¤«¤Ø¤ó¡£) Or, do you think that we can upgrade our listening skills efficiently without doing dictation?


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SAM ¤µ¤Þ(4/9/98)

I just wanted to ask if someone has tried "English Adventure." I hear that's one of the best English learning programs, and I also think that's extremely effective if one could finish one whole story whatever the level of the story is.

I always believe that in order to learn English, we've got to get fast-paced input orally (listening) or graphically (reading). English adventure must be FUN, and since the English used in the story is more conversational (plus some beautiful description of the stages), English adventure would be one of the greatest and most enjoyable learning tools!! Besides, as I said, the language used is really beautiful, so you can improve your vocabulary greatly! Lack of vocabulary? Don't worry.

Although technical written texts, such as newspapers and scientific articles, requires fancy technical terms in order to understand them, when it comes to reading novels and conversation, we can easily "guess" the meaning of unfamiliar words from the context. In other words, novels are context-rich guessable reading materials!! Moreover, if your goal of learning English is to keep conversation flow in English, then what do you bother to learn news English? What is your priority?

I definitely recommend listening to EA and reading novels. What do you think? I'd like to hear comments from those who have tried EA before or who have been enjoying it.

imasami@mailcity.com
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/3921/


Are you talking about THE English Adventure from Academy Syuppan?? Well, I've never tried it. So I actually don't know if it's good or not. Is there anyone tried it before?


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This is my first posting here. Please forgive me. I can't write in Japanese.

I always enjoy reading this chat corner, but I have a question. April 2, Aoki-san talked about the Super-Repeat Method. What is that? I like hyphenated words that start with Super-. Please tell me about it. (You may want to visit my homepage at: www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/3921/Superlearning.html There are lots of Super- things!)

I have one comment on Pils-san's posting. Why do people want to go to English conversation schools? Although my speciality is TESOL (Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages), and I may have to work for one of English conversation schools, I personally do not believe that talking with native speakers necessarily help us improve our English proficiency. I would suggest that we make friends with those who are eager to master English, and discuss over a variety of topics. One good idea is that you buy the same book with your partner, and read with him/her, and discuss over it periodically. This way, each of you are obliged to read the book because otherwise your partner is gonna get mad or something.

Let's speak and write in English a lot!!


The Super-repeat method was invented by Mr. Kazuhiro Ikeda, who is an author of the 'TOEIC ºÇ¶¯¤Î³Ø½¬Ë¡'. It's an efficient way of memorizing words. He insists that you can memorize 1,000 words a month. All you have to do is 30 minutes of practicing this method a day.


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